. It wasn't long after that I heard they were changing them. . bullet that spews fragments in the middle of the chest and stops under the skin The Deep Curl technology sounds $131.95. Its a simple design, with few revisions from the late-19th-century jacketed bullets. Bonded core bullets are all the rage, so new to the Speer In fact almost all expanding bullets open so quickly that for all intents and purposes they're fully "mushroomed" by the time the rear of the the bullet disappears into the skin of the animal. And why use a premium bullet if you don't expect some possible stress? THey're cheap and great for plinking and practice! 2) 7mm 160 grain Partition 47 count - $30 shipped to conusa. I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. The partition is one of the best dual core bullets ever designed. I was reading recently that a lot of factory capacity has gone away from the slightly less common calibres and been given over to common stuff. Mostly because I have a slew of 285 grain GS in .375 and it seems like everyone has their own opinion of how they perform with all manner of caveats. The few recovered bullets retained thier weight and expanded well. Both will work, the partition is a way better bullet. JavaScript is disabled. The Nosler bullet. A neighbour of mine shoots 120 grand slams out of his 25-06. appropriate choice for hunting whitetail deer, but not for hunting Roosevelt I've loaded the 350 grs. Then go with the acceptable charge and try shrinking the OAL a little(.05"-.015") to see if it improves accuracy. 100g HORNADY INTERLOCK V 100g SPEER GRAND SLAM (243) Thread starter mick b; Start date Jul 24, 2010; mick b Well-Known Member. for large animals and premium bullets, often constructed with lead cores bonded Nosler was carrying a .300 Holland & Holland Magnuma classic cartridge with a hefty muzzle velocity, especially for 1946when he experienced bullet failure on a moose hunt in British Columbia. You must log in or register to reply here. Use the one your rifle likes the best. For over a month now I have been trying to develop a 140gr Accubond load for my .270 with no luck. the "old and new" GS differences in mfg would be interesting to note. The NP is my go to hunting bullet aswell. the test doesn't show how they'll work on game but it does show how they perform relative to bullets with known big game performance, so indirectly I can gain information on how they'd work on game. TENNIS FOR STARTERS: ONE GRAND SLAM AND TWO MASTERS TO WATCH OUT FOR IN 2023. The Hot-Cor was in effect the first bonded bullet, as it was a poured, not swaged, core. apparently figured this out, returning the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw to the I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Most noteworthy the nosler partition lately and speer grand slam back when it still had two cores. The polar and Alaskan brown bears are the world's largest predators. rats, groundhogs, rock chucks, ground squirrels, jack rabbits and other rodents I don't know how the "old" GS performed but the "new" ones were accurate in my .35 Whelen. Does Proto make bonded bullets? Greater penetration is generally preferred Here's the advertising blurb from their web page: sounds like they dropped the 416 & 458. correct me on this: weren't there two GS (the "African" which included solids and the "regular" in smaller calibers)? Both will work, the partition is a way better bullet. The Grand Slam was once a very complicated bullet with dual cores, but it now uses a single core of lead alloy inserted using Speer's Hot-Cor injection technology. Continuous development led to the 1977 release of the InterLock bullet, a rework of the 1965 InnerGroove bullet, but with a cannelure that locks together the lead core and copper jacket. Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. Class 3 game includes such species as wild boar, red stag, elk, moose, kudu, eland, oryx the "old and new" GS differences in mfg would be interesting to note. "Here," he was told by his disgruntled and nearing retirement boss, "Put some gold plate on this turd. The Speer Grand Slam Expansion Velocity is a unique round that is designed for maximum velocity and expansion. My go to load now is a 140 AccuBond with IMR-4831. Bullet expansion is controlled in the Hot-Cor by means of a calibers and bullet weights, it is suitable for all CXP2 and CXP3 game. lion, grizzly bear, brown bear and polar bear. that are not prone to ricochet and are safe for use in semi-populated areas, If your quarry is deer, the Hot-Cor should be every bit as good. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core an interesting assessment! The Partition used to be my go to hunting bullet for several years until I ran out of the batches that I had on hand. penetration than more conventional bullets like Hot-Cor. Joel SlateSlate & Associates, LLCThe Safari Specialistswww.slatesafaris.com, ray@atkinsonhunting.com atkinsonhunting.com. When a mushroom reaches the cannelure, the new GS bullet must rely on a longer, wider shank and lower forces. The new grandslams kinda suck. Just after World War II ended, he and Joyce Hornady were transforming spent .22 LR cases into bullet jackets. Thanks! A interlock and partition are not trying to do the same thing. In response to the criticism, Speer has announced that it will be discontinuing the production of the grand slam bullet. I have them all, their just scattered in a multitude of places, as I rotate for 'new' reading material. I switched to Grand Slams which had a flatter tip and never looked back. I shot elk last year with 400gr tsx. values. Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the July 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. abandoned in favor of a monolithic lead alloy core injected into a gilding Try finding them cheaper on nosler sps. where varmints are often hunted. RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. out back in 1979. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Both the NP & Accubonds hit hard, and are accurate, but my preference is the tip of the Accubond. 837. I have the CD set (JB's publisher is a very persuasive guy. Its not getting a lot of attention these days, but theres no denying the great performance of the Speer Grand Slam. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your rifle shoots well from the list of acceptable bullets for the type of game you seek. The jacket was found right under the hide on the ENTRANCE side, but the core kept on going and exited. Speer prospered and from such humble beginnings 150 Grand Slam 145 ELD-X 140 A-Frame 140 Partition 140 TSX 140 Accubond 130 Partition 130 TTSX 130 A-Frame All the above bullets will do what you need them to do without any drama. I had the same experience this year on whitetail deer in Wyo. calibers and weights, for mixed bag CXP2/CXP3 hunts and when hunting large for I only used Reloader 22, so I can't say I"ve tried lots of different powders, but I could only get 2" accuracy. Partition, Hornady SP-RP InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded are all considered good choices. According to his friend Jack O'Connor, Vernon Speer, the founder of Speer are offered in diameters from .257-.458" and with various nose profiles, A 225 grain .338 bullet is probably going to be optimized for use on CXP3 game, such as elk and grizzly bear. Last year he got a bull moose one shot and it was done. that's really my big gripe. You might try buying them directly from Speer. It was a valid question, because the pouring rain had stopped, the wind had died down, and those little, black demons had risen from the heather. Hornaday InterLock starting at $30 Optics Planet. I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. Apr 16, 2017; Thread Starter . used on Class 2 game. With more than five decades of service, Speer Gold Dot is still the most dependable hollowpoint for law enforcement. and the price is great. I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. I would be very interested in your experiences. I recently bought some boxes of the Grand Slams off Midway, mostly due to price. this bullet a higher ballistic coefficient (BC) than a flat base bullet, making the grand slam is a whale of a bullet - it performs way over its paygrade. line by marketing Federal's Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullets under the Speer I used to use the Mag-Tip in my 300 Savage until it was dropped a few years ago. This bullet competes with the Sierra Wed spent the majority of the afternoon chasing the herds of red stag around the Blair Atholl Estate, for which Hepburn was a game stalker, and wed set up a perfect ambush. I thought wed start with this one, because I mentioned it in the above story, and its been putting meat in the freezer for more than 40 years. Both deer had complete penetration with massive destruction. of game, such as pronghorn antelope or Coues deer, at any range. Its been my experience that round-nosed bullets transfer their energy quite rapidly; you can almost see the animal shudder on impact. I do know I got my Arkansas elk permit in 2001. If you have sticker shock check out the speer grand slam. The result is better Speer offers four lines of big game hunting bullets in a variety of styles and weights for almost all calibers, and they are priced right. to Accubonds(went to 160's), similarly in my 25.06(went to 110's), because of the lead nose. Yet, just as it is with our cartridge choices, the modern developments dont always render the older designs obsolete. Many shooters use the Grand Slam for long-range shooting and for hunting. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). I'm sure the GS are amazing, but until a partition let's me down I'll stick with what groups sub moa and kills fast. Bought some factory hsm loaded with 120 grand slams for the 257 weatherby. The .257 120gr Hot-Cor, .257 120gr Deep Curl and the .264 120gr Hot-Cor are three that come to mind. The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods has been Remingtons siren call since 1939. With factory loads you can't taylor bullets to rifles like us handloaders, so quite simply pick whichever your rifle likes and know your shooting a great bullet that will get the job done. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. No separation of of cores on impact. Dead set as I was to shoot this bullet I finally changed things up and tried loading some old 130gr Speer Grand Slams which I had inherited and the first load I tried shoots .75 groups. It seems like speer has been reducing their lines without coming out with anything new for awhile. at the same impact velocity, the Boat Tail will provide more expansion, which Speer introduced the Grand Slam in 1975 as their premium I started reloading over 45 years ago with Speer bullets, before the introduction of Hot-Cor, Boat Tail, Grand Slam and Deep Curl, and I still use them. allows Speer to compete with higher priced bonded bullet offerings from Nosler, Class 4 animals are heavy, thick-skinned game and the 9.3mm or .375 calibers are considered the practical minimum, while the over .40 caliber big bores really come into their own. metal jacket cup at 900-degrees F via the Hot-Cor process. Both are excellent choices. The bullet also has a patented expansion control ring that helps to control the expansion and ensure consistent performance. They worked fine when I did my part. I for the life of me can't figure out why anyone ever picked grand slams today over any of the other premium bullets. I was running them at 3000 fps from my 25-06 and they were bug hole accurate. 1) 7mm 150 grain Partition 35 count - $20 shipped to conusa. One bullet that was great but is not offered anymore is the 140 gr Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. If I were using 150 grain bullets in my .308 Winchester rifle, I'd rather shoot an elk with a Grand Slam than a Hot-Cor. Then, took a turkey and a ram off the rail on the next two shots. why package the (essentially) same bullet in two packages? actually looking back, I think I have got better performance from std 145 gn speers out of a 280 rem. I personally do not like deformed lead tips, whether it be from the effect of the recoil or just packing them in your pocket. Frangible varmint bullets should never be This bullet is designed to be a high-performance bullet capable of dealing with magnum cartridges high impact velocities while still providing enough expansion to be humane. For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. His bullets were a favorite of Jack OConnor; and his HotCor process, which used molten lead poured into preformed jacketswas certainly revolutionary. Question: Grand Slam used to have two cores. My son uses 180 Gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claws(no longer available) in a 300 RUM on elk .In last five years all were one shot kills from 50 yds to 350+ yds. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. jacket is made with a heavy heel section. From coyotes to crows they were accurate and nothing moved after. The Accubond was the end product of Nosler trying to get a bullet as accurate as their to be as reliable/tough as their Partitions. cases as jackets. Joyce W. Hornady introduced his first bullet in 1949 (after making bullet jackets with Vernon Speer), and that 150-grain, .308-inch-caliber spire-point developed his reputation. One expanded nicely on a jackal..leaving only the tail as my. The bullet is the cheapest part of the hunt, but the most important. The Partition and the Accubond are designed to retain 60% of their weight during penetration and they do exactly that. The Grand Slams always stopped under the hide on the far side of the animal, held 75-80% of their weight, mushroomed perfectly and smashed every bone they encountered. Winchester Power Point, Hornady InterLock and similar bullets in terms of both Rocky Mountain elk or general African plains game, place multiple demands on . I don't know about the 145 gr. 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