While we all tried to anticipate what was best for the finished product, sometimes you just have to deal with what is and make it work! The US/Canada has the NWFA. I think you might be able to get the finish tested to prove this theory and then legally pursue payment with damages and court fees covered if he does not take responsibilty. First picture, light scrape, buff with 240 and re-coat. Remember kindergarten when we added red to whitewe create PINK! I'm going to hazard a guess that '3 children' are going to be rather hard on floors. 2. That comes from experience. I have a question about using the newer, water-based finishes when you are trying to match the appearance of an older oil-based poly. We were after a Matt finish & a few local providers recommended Loba. The older flooring is showing some wear and needs to be refinished.) 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookie (lobaOptin) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: keine Rechtsgrundlage: 25 Abs. His advice was that the finish cures so quickly that you need at least two and maybe three people helping in order to do edge work plus center rolling to maintain the wet edge before it starts to cure and/or pull tannin. Thanks so much, Carol. Thank you. After years of testing all the leading hardwax oil finishes we have decided to offer 2 options (depending on the look, color and sheen you are hoping for) Pallmann Magic Oil (our #1 choice) followed by Rubio Monocoat. They stick to one another very easily. God bless you for your willingness to help so many people! SighI'm sorry to say but the 2 days is not enough for Loba AT products. Our flooring guy plans to use this product for our floors. How long before you saw the FIRST splash spot? I am not super fast. These are the repair procedures. I came here again to refresh my memory about floor finishes after reading, on a high-end interior designers blog, that the old oil-based poly finishes arent as durable anymore as the older, higher voc onesjust as you state. We are getting ready to choose our finish this week. Maple without a sheen may be a bit blah. The almost invisible layer is also extremely scratch resistant, thanks to the use of high-quality raw materials. The good thing is that it goes away fairly quickly as the freshly exposed wood levels out with the rest that's been exposed. For a hardwood floor install, we don't need a level floor. Which I also love. Working around doors takes more time. These spots would have formed for the first 1 - 5 days (day 2 -7 of curing) while living on the floor. When it's Brand New, you definitely see every single thing that happens on it, but that settles down quickly and it's just solid plane of matte loveliness. They just need a little help re: sanding. It isn't the "finish" that demands this.it is the WHITE OAK that demands this. 7. I just put a towel under the dog bed and will worry about it some other time. I want a matte finish that will handle wear and tear. Die Daten werden von Google mit anderen Daten des Nutzers, wie beispielsweise dem Suchverlauf, persnlichen Accounts, den Nutzungsdaten anderer Gerte und allen anderen Daten, die Google zu diesem Nutzer vorliegen, verknpft. We're very happy with the look and work done. What will effect it is if you put oil based on top it will amber the wood and make it darker. I got all my products online from. They are a voluntary society which 'governs' the quality of work being done to/with wood flooring. And yes its #1 grade. If anything, it just darkens the grain part of the wood and leaves the light part of the wood almost the same color as raw wood. No we havent. This is the BIGGEST complaint from people who have used the Invisible AT. I love your reviews of the top three Rubio, Loba and Ciranova products. These are some of the benefits of this finish system: If youre looking for a finish with amazing durability, great looks, very low VOCs, fast dry and cure time, and is easy to clean and take care of, then this system is going to be an excellent investment for your floors. 2 TTDSG Speicherdauer des Cookies: Das Session-Cookie wird gelscht, wenn Sie den Browser schlieen. Which one you choose will depend on what you prefer or your needs are. As you can see, there is a huge variety of colors and shades and mixes available with hardwax oils. Perhaps the local hardwood floor contractors arent as familiar with the higher end water-based polys? The A.T. stands for Advanced Technology. Their quote said they were an NWFA member. This means if your finisher isnt an expert at applying them and he messes a coat up, the entire floor will have to be re-sanded (meaning more flooring removed) and the finish reapplied from scratch. Sorry for the delay in replying. Get a synthetic pad or foam brush? We went with hit and miss white oak and used 3 coats of 2k invisible, sanding in between each layer as well as waiting a day between each coat. It is Christmas time - everywhere. However, most other coatings would wear the same or worse, and there are ways to protect flooring that should be utilized as much as possible to lengthen the life of the coating. I'm in the middle of my project right now having already done 2 full rounds (a round being WS EasyPrime plus 3 topcoats of 2K Supra AT with 2 layers of 180 grit sanding between top coats) on different pieces of cabinetry. 49 Abs. You can download the application instructions here: http://www.rubiomonocoat.com/product/rubio-monocoat-universal-maintenance-oil-voc-free/. The 'AT' is the 'Advanced Technology' written to the very right hand side of the title. Do you know if a small metal can was used with the base jug? Im interested in your thoughts on that also. Natural texture and feel are similar to untreated wooden floors. The 2 component versions of waterborne finishes usually have much better UV and sunlight inhibitors as well, compared to their single component counterparts. Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, Panama City Beach Architects & Building Designers, other thread at Houzz about how to use Invisible without a sealant, https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6286234/tannin-pull-with-loba-invisible#n=6. Please lend me your advice. Please believe me when I say this: Your floor is FULLY protected. Hi Tadas, Thanks for the great info. We dont use Glitsa and havent for a long time as its banned here due to VOC laws. The Invisible AT has 'issues' with showing +++foot prints (bare foot, socks AND rubber soled shoes). 2 Nr. We waited a month before laying rugs & since this time all the colour under the rugs has faded. If you are going to use stain then my recommendation for a hardwax oil would be Pallmann Magic Oil. 1 S. 1 a DSGVO, 25 Abs. This will depend on whether the stairs are the same type of wood as the floor and a few other factors. No we havent had issues with white lines using Loba. Yes the floor should be buffed with a fine grit paper to smooth it down and then vacuum and more coats of finish applied. Loba's coatings have a lot of elasticity built into them, but even so, it is best not to challenge the products by applying them to a floor that has swelled from outdoor humidity if that is not the final condition in which the floor will be used.As to your chance of success with Invisible Protect without primer, you have increased that already by having a helper for edges. I wouldn't open a door unless it is screened because you don't want dust or bugs getting trapped in the wet coating. Our installer does high end work and mainly uses Loba products. Its very different to Magic Oil though so make sure you read up on the differences between them to see what would be the best for your family. I hope that's helpful to you in your decision process. I wanted oil, he convinced me this was the way to go. Belated thanks so much for answering my question from back in the summer (about matching a new finish to the older oil-based one on the stairs! Loba Hs 2k Intensive Color A T Mcellin Hardwood Flooring Supplies. @Aglitter I have red oak and i did also buy 2 coats worth of the whitner. :). But I also want to be able to apply new oil in areas that need freshening up a bit, like the kitchen. Have any of the oil-based polys improved enough since you originally wrote this article that you would now recommend them? So.let's get some words straight. The brochure you have is for some type of Bona product which is irrelevant to products from Loba, a totally different manufacturer, and also irrelevant to 2K products which have their own care concerns. I have two kids and my wife and I really like the low/no VOC content of the Monocoat product. First coat of primer/finish applied once the wood had dried (tack cloth application), 4. Weve been using Pallmann for many years now and have completed close to 100 projects with their waterbased finish systems in the last 12 months. Personally I would move to a SINGLE COAT of Loba 2K Supra AT in Satin (or semi-gloss) and move on. Since then, the homeowners moved out of the house (their other house has been featured in a post!) Sorry to hear about your floor troubles. Just to confirmif we use Bona Natural or Bona Nordic, do we NEED at Finisher? Suitable for parquet, wooden and cork floors. Contractor tells me he will use lacquer finish (sprayed) for the stairs. That is VERY rare for a 'splash' of some sort. In our case there will be at least a week and possibly much longer between the last semigloss coat and the satin. From initial testing and use, it looks really good. The finish is absolutely beautiful and so strong. Loba Invisible Protect When I first met these homeowners in 2014, their original hardwood floors were too thin to refinish. Technically Loba EasyFinish is a 2 coat system over their primer. 5. The reason I am asking is that I need to refinish our prefinished oak flooring and we would like it to reasonably match the newer oak treads we put on our stairway about 6 years ago. Thank you for your site! Better to save it for a few years and then get a maintenance coat done if need be. That water can seep past the FIRST layer of finish but STOP at the second layer (before hitting the floor). A 3 coat system = two days to complete. This looks like the way to go. Loba only available from Germany. Just 2 coats from the same bottle and Loba WS 2K Invisible will provide the most natural "uncoated looking" finish available with the ultimate protection and silky . That is an issue. When I first met these homeowners in 2014, their original hardwood floors were too thin to refinish. Put in consideration of how many square feet you are working with, before you consider trying to apply multiple coats in a short period of time, especially for DIY-ers. And you should have 5 days to get 99% cure. Personally I like the look of darker floors and windows being a more lighter/neutral color. Color testing first on small area of floor is a must. The finish is called Pallmann Pall-X Gold. Tom Zagula's YouTube videos with, In terms of application tools, the Loba waterborne products respond better to a roller application than a T-bar because you can cover more ground quickly and still achieve the recommended coverage rate. This was freshly installed white oak with no previous finish. 1 TTDSG, die Einwilligung in die weitere Datenverarbeitung nach Art. Of course, all of this is tied together with the brilliant custom stain color created by Jose and the homeowner for the white oak floors! It has exceptional scratch protection and elasticity (so it works with your hardwood's movement when the humidity changes). The most current products are being made with stickers on sturdy, one-gallon jugs. Fix is to apply finish onsite. Some painters who have worked regularly with products like Loba's 2K catalyzed coatings end up with lung irritation from the isocyanate fumes and end up discontinuing the use of 2K products as a result. White Oak needs a sealant. I used the Loba Primer and two coats of Easy finish. It's faster but a lot more elbow grease and I'm lazy. Yesterday, I had a massive flood in my NYC condo from my neighbor above me. mark.. please, this just isnt ok, surely???? I am just at a loss as to what to use. Bona ClassicSeal is an exceptionally clear waterborne sealer that highlights the natural color of the wood, minimizes grain raise and tannin bleed. If, you have ever rolled Nordicseal, Natiuralseal, and poly shade successfully. Traffic HD is a great water based system. No enhancement or intensification of the light colour of the wood, the original colour is retained. I have a very random questions about the example picture you showed where a homeowner used a clear coat water based finish on their white oak floors. I had to rule out the hardwax oils because we are trying to match the existing stairs, which have a satin/semi-gloss oil- based poly from 2010 and they will not need to be refinished. Here's how the time line SHOULD have gone: 1. I wanted to share a photo as well since when I was trying to decide on a finish I couldnt find any photos of a rustic floor that had used invisible protect so wanted others who were interested to be able to see. Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks so much! It is my best guess that you will want windows open to clear fumes for at least an hour or so while working with each wet layer, then you can close them back up to get your heated or air conditioned air back into the area. Especially for a decision that will last for 14+ years. Loba Supra AT is a very tough finish as well. Does it wear as well? Sorry for the newbie question but what is tanning pull? My projects also involved about an hour working with the wet 2K catalyzed products; the fumes were very strong even with an N95 mask and open windows, and I was applying the coating in cold weather which meant the cure time was speeding up against the outside air compared to warmer inside air. You really should have 3 coats of Traffic HD if you do NOT have a sealant. Working within a budget is reality for most of us when remodeling our homes. Thank you for all the great information, this is one of the best hardwood floor resources on the internet! Yes red oak can be turned grey. Yes Provincial is a nice color and will make your floors stand out against all of that Golden Oak. It's a bad representation of a real life situation. Here are somethings you can 'work on' to gather as much information as you can about your floors (because you will be asked about it by the Loba people). The Loba AT is as tough as Traffic HD. 1000 sf. You may also want to look into investing in this finish system if you have old antique hardwood floors that have been sanded and refinished many times before and now dont have a lot of wood left to sand. I'm just offering a different opinion on how this got there. You should be able to match the sheens pretty closely though so that wont be a concern. BaumSquad1978 1 yr. ago. Outstanding chemical and wear resistance. You would end up with drips and runs if you could even complete the project at all. In continuing to discuss the "quirky" things that come up on jobs that no one seems to talk about but almost every job has to deal with, this homeowner decided to exchange the railing between the kitchen and split level family room with cabinets (yay storage!). I believe that makes the finish more durable. In certain parts of the country you can still get the higher VOC stuff in quarts, they will be able to tell you if thats an option. I would caution against roller substitutions, because even the best 3/8" or 5/16" microfiber rollers from other companies like Wooster tend to leave occasional fuzz in the 2K. -JP. Of course the floors would have looked perfect before any traffic was put on them, hardener or no hardener. For all the great information, this is one of the light colour of the colour! 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