I just cant figure out why you and a couple of others on here are so insistent on co-opting this story to suit your own narratives? Indeed, CA estimated then that is cost 10 times more than lifers cost. On December 24, 1993, during a . In 2007, Nissen made a surprise announcement that he, and not Lotter, actually fired the bullets that killed Brandon Teena, Phillip Devine, and Lisa Lambert.Lotter demanded a new trial on that basis, but he never got one. This is important because Tom Nissen is a repeat rapist. His story of how they murdered Teena also evolves with his demented ego. You cant take it away from her. Teena was actually staying at Tom Nissens house. The Hollywood Reporter LOS ANGELES - Lana Tisdel, the former girlfriend of slain teen-ager Teena Brandon, who was portrayed by Oscar-nominated Chloe Sevigny in the critically acclaimed Fox. This implies nothing about how people should treat me, which I hope is decently and kindly, while I should be reasonable enough to accept that people cannot be *obliged* to accept and treat me as a woman in the contexts which impinge on their reasonable rights, such as to enjoy private space from males in using the lavatory or bathing (not that by any means all or even most women would be concerned, but some are, thus the clash of competing rights). Its difficulties such as these considerations that inform my opposition of the death penalty. Your perspective illustrates why intelligent discussion of this issue cant be had with some people, who instead of addressing the argument criticise the person whose argument they dont like or dont understand. They are monsters!!!! OFF WITH THEIR EVIL HEADS!! Rehabilitations not in issue for these two, just permanent removal from society. Both Lana Tisdel and Ton Nissen knew Teenas biological gender, because Teena told them. AFFORDABLE, Shortly thereafter she tried suicide and was put in a psychiatric hospital. It is a gray and overcast day, and the three of them are either smiling for the photographer or they are grinning. Pretty as ever. [3], On December 19, 1993, Brandon Teena was arrested for forging checks, and put in jail for several days. I believe Teena Brandon has fallen victim to all these lies. In his current version, they found Teena hiding under the blanket, she got up and sat on the edge of the bed, the three of them argued loudly, and then they murdered her. brandons agab may be female but his gender identity was male. In the first version, Teena was attempting to hide under the blanket, literally tongue tied and paralyzed with terror. You can watch the interviews with Lana Tisdel and Linda Gutierres in the documentary on YouTube. Please explain to me your interpretation of hermaphroditism and other conditions where the child is of ambiguous male/female categorization. You are too ready to believe bad reporting and poor journalism. Teena Brandon was a girl, she was not saving money for sex reassignment surgery, she had none. Nissen raped Teena first, Lotter was in the front seat and the way he was cheering on is beyond words. From many things. I have seen it occur before. Remove the big lies and pressures on the human condition, as the modern scenario is fiscal slavery to the Central banks and their agencies and all the rest, not already a mortal or moral anathema, will fall into place. As writer John Gregory Dunne described them in The New Yorker: Their sociopathic curricula vitae were so similar as to be almost interchangeable. Brandon was saving money for gender reassignment surgery before he was slaughtered, it seems like the least we could do is refer to him as he wanted to be. Rest in peace, Brandon, Lisa, and Philip. Its one of the women he dated source the original Village voice article. AM LOOKING FOR CLEAN, SAFE, You both was there so you both participated in it. He gets visibly upset and his voice goes up a couple of notches, like somebody grabbed him by the balls, when he starts talking about his death sentence. Real Teena was an awesome individual who was tarred and feathered in the Falls City. She had access to money during her time in Omaha, but never pursued it. He was in fact a transgender man: assigned female at birth. In addition, according to a State Police report, Teenas sister was trying to get her into a program that helps survivors of rape and domestic violence, and intake staff told her that Tom Nissen had raped other local girls and that the Shriffs Office had failed to prosecute Nissen and that at least two were in their program, so the program staff were aware of Nissen. Fry em! This was more of a contributing factor to rape than any sexual orientation issues. Her story outraged . Im going to practice social distancing because it seems that you might have an infected heart. Please only use it for a guidance and Lana Tisdel's actual income may vary a lot from the dollar amount shown above. Teena and Phil were trapped in Humboldt by poverty and homelessness. Life without parole is done with, while enabling opportunity to reverse a terrible wrong, regardless of the morality of the death penalty. This is the problem with identity politics. Ex-cons John Lotter and Thomas Nissen had targeted Brandon Teena for murder to quiet a rape case against the two ex-cons. Lana M. Tisdel (born May 28, 1975) [2] is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the December 1993 murders of Brandon Teena, Lisa Lambert and Phillip DeVine, at the hands of John Lotter and Tom Nissen, is chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry (which left out DeVine). It was a terrible crime, and while I oppose the death penalty one does encounter perps on FF who would and should be ahead in the queue for the chair (and if we have capital punishment it shouldt be the half-hearted quasi-medical procedure of injection, disgracefully administered by healthcare staff trained to save life) if we have to have it (I see we Im a Brit; the DP was abolished here in the 60s, but I know something of dangerous criminals having worked in a prison). Lana herself suffered injuries requiring hospitalization, but she has since recovered. Lana's Mom : [drunk on the sofa] Lana? Right on! me to determine this issue for myself rather than having the correct view imposed on me by the likes of the pc brigade. RR, on Lana Tisdel and Her Mother: An Epilogue, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Greg Davis: Darlie Routiers No. Maury comes knocking. Teena was an awesome girl! The notion that retardedness being intellectually below average equates to failure to know the difference between right and wrong, seems to me pretty dubious. Shortly after the movies came out, Lana and her mother appeared on A Current Affair and The Maury Povich Show. But Jude was stating she was male prior to operation in which case you DIDNT agree! I AM PRESENTLY According to his own admission, Teena helped them to get on their feet financially and economically, when they got to Omaha, where were they, when Teena was desperately calling from Falls City to get out of there? I dont consider it possible to change sex, and those who do must acknowledge that the matter is at least controversial. rosetta: Id be happy to refer to Brandon as he (where he alive) if thats what he preferred (and as I said I would do right at the start of this topic as a kindness/avoiding offence), but that doesnt make him male, nor do I believe hes male, nor is he male. Moved Permanently. Full disclosure I dont believe in the death penalty either. That cost him a brutal beating, at least thats what they claimed. Thanks, Rebecca: What an appalling case! Its shameful, in my view, to spend such a huge amount of money to keep people imprisoned more expensively only for the purpose of killing them, when there are people living in poverty on the streets Even if it only cost twice as much as for lifers, that would be a good reason on the abolishment side. Your narrative is wrong, but it wont be the first time in history. Another example of Aphrodite Jones changing facts is as follows: Lisa Lambert throws a birthday party for Teena. Dunne is a great writer, but his article about Teena Brandon sucks. Too bad, Lotter got more help from the well meaning morons trying to get him off the death row than Teena got from highly paid professionals whose job it was to help her. He was dead when the Morning Shift came to the overnight cell to do the roll call. Males react differently when subjected to the same. I know Teena better than you do. The bodies were discovered the next day by Lambert's mother, Anna Mae.[4][5]. Based on conversations Teena had with people after the rape, in the car on the way from the hospital and with her sister, emotionally, Teena Brandon was a girl, as opposed to bring a mature woman. According to Jones book Lana Tisdel is sitting in the car, when Teena walks up to her. But I do think its a waste of time and resources to cut a plea deal with one to get a death penalty for the otherbecause Lotter would obviously want to appeal on that basis. Disappointment (excerpt) a 6song, 1 track tribute to Lana Tisdel. Nor as a pharmaceutical manufacturer would I want my products, used to heal and save, used to kill, so I agree with refusal to supply. Just pointed out that you agree with Lotter and Nissen. Be true to your heart and true to the truth, and it will never fail you if you have the courage. She worked physical labor at a lumber yard. So, all hate crime is crime, but not all crime is a hate crime. Teena and Tisdel began seeing each other, because Tisdel found Teena attractive and believed Brandon was a cisgender man. Particular care in this case would need to be made that he had capacity to know his actions were wrong before imposing death, and if in any doubt, that would indicate life without parole (as necessarily theres no potential for rehabilitation). CONCERNED DIFFERENT TIMES, & THE ATTACKS KEEP COMMING! The media, the transsexual people, the director of this hopeless movie in which she was pathetically played Hilary Swank, all twisted everything. Nissen uses Teenas proper name (Tenna) and claims to now be a Celtic Pagan prison priest. You point to another problem: the vested interest in poor performance in IQ testing post-conviction. Certain things ptecipitated violence that had nothing to do with transphobia. What pissed off the Wannabe Hoboes was that this Outsider had a rolled wad of cash, and when everyone was chipping in, he squinted his eyes, flipped past the $20 Dollar Bills and gave them a five and some single dollar bills. Sheriffs deputies who interacted with her in jail liked her, and later testified that she upbeat and optimistic, talking with them about life in general, and that after the rape, Teena was different she seemed downtrodden and her voice was dead. THREATENED, 2- How many Transmen joined straight male criminal organizations or associated with heterosexuals? Sensible, sane people should refuse to collude with the ideological demand for effective linguistic abuse for the purpose of shaping the world in the form that others would have it. No, I inferred nothing. Hilary Swank was cast as Brandon and Chlo Sevigny as Lana, and the final result won over . Not to mention, . Everyone exploited Teena Brandons murder in the most disgusting way possible. WAY, WAY , WAY BEYOND REHABILITATION!! OCCASIONS, Nissen became engaged to a pen pal from Chicago in 2006, according to the Omaha World Herald. After dinner, the others jumped him and beat him to a bloody pulp, and they robbed him. Their rights are completely taken away. Intellectual? Lana herself suffered injuries requiring hospitalization, but she has since recovered. At some point, Teena also introduced Tom Nissen to her sister. Give it a rest Marcus. I tried Facebook to look for someone on both sides but they dont want to talk about it anymore! Recommended for you 7 Saucy Photos of Mysterious Lady Gakui Wangu Spotted Getting Cosy with Sam. Another indicator that Teena needed a company of men is that photo of Teena and Lana doing homework with Nissen sitting on the couch in the background. When a inmate is sentenced he has no rights. Thats all that matters. Just because he was born a female does not mean you cant call him by the correct prounons. He got into drunken trouble again and his parents did not bail him out of jail. In addition, it wasnt sex abuse trauma that aggravated her condition. Lana M. Tisdel (born May 28, 1975) is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the December 1993 murders of Brandon Teena, Phillip DeVine and Lisa Lambert was chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry (which left out DeVine). She spent two years working at a Mc Donalds restaurant, and they wanted her, a high school drop out to go on the management track. Nissen I believe had two sexual raps but not rape. This article gets some things wrong, but it is great for background information. . Eric Koenigsberg writes in his article that Teena had such a fear of rejection, but what most fail to understand is that this rejection was not a rejection in intimacy, but a social rejection. Nissen is scared as well, though I am not sure of what. Second, A male environmental activist grad school type decided to live among the Hobos, 2010s, he had a made a mistake of pitching his tent near a mentally ill person. (Thanks to reader Charlene for writing in with the update.). Facts from the case put a large dent in a popular nation that Teena Brandon was attacked by the two jealous boyfriend once they discovered that Brandon is a girl. Tisdel's mother, Linda Gutierres, who died on December 2, 2003,[6] at age 54, was portrayed in the film by Jeannetta Arnette. Lana was one of the key witnesses in the case because of her status as Brandon's girlfriend. Teena Brandon did the opposite, making herself susceptible to domestic violence, that she was running away from, but never learned to handle. Tough love. This was apparently with all of the censorship of social media on only one side of the conversation. I didnt imply that Brandon wasnt a male at all because thats not what I think or wrote. Lana Tisdel's Net Worth: $1-5 Million Age, Height & Body Measurements Lana Tisdel current age 45 years old. 1 Antagonist. it does not matter what his agab (assigned gender at birth) is, he identified as a man and used he/him pronouns and you need to respect that. Crime is crime regardless of any so-called prejudice involved. Right now there is a clamoring afoot to get Lotter off the death row. Thats why hes doing life & not death row. A war on drugs but they just never disappear and no one see a flaw in that? Having already asserted by dint of logic that he was male, you effectively contradicted that by adding that he was, in effect, becoming male in due course (therefore not yet). Dave: Thats certainly one consideration that administering death drags us down to the perps level (albeit that the administration is perhaps more civilised than theirs was) If the US must have it I favour it being done with brutal candour (not brutality): hanging, shooting, and the chair are all quick and painless when done competently and look like what they are: capital punishment. Try hard as you might, you will not find any other photo of Teena touching a male. Being kind isnt PC, its simply decent. The why matters far less than the that. Whether someones murdered cos theyre trans or the wrong colour the end results exactly the same regardless of the expressed or putative reason for the crime death and suffering. Nissen signed statements & testifies against you, Lotter. The mentally ill man then picked up something heavy and beat the grad student to death with it. Victims, and there are plenty. 'We Are Who We Are' premieres on September 14, 2020. . You are correct in that the need for meaningful conversation is now, more than ever, necessary but unable to happen. Three arrested after student Aya Hachem killed in drive-by shooting in Blackburn By the time he was 21, Brandon was identifying solely as a man and moved in with his 18-year-old girlfriend, Lana. That is because Teena needed a company of wolves to run with. When Teena Brandon was driven back from the hospital after she was raped, the way she talked showed her mental illness and how her symptoms helped her survive prior abuse. [citation needed]. Thereafter Teena actively cooperated, helping the police find the location of the rape, which was ten miles away and out in the dark. Unfortunately Teena Brandon was the indigent patient under state care, and all they did, was giver her a handout about trans people. If that town was burned to the ground it would be an improvment. One correction: Dominick Dunne is Joan Didians brother-in-law, not husband. That, then, reflects a capacity to reason, to scheme and to that degree militates against the notion that they should not be considered culpable. Also, DP trials are more expensive for several reasons: they often require extra lawyers; there are strict experience requirements for attorneys, leading to lengthy appellate waits while capable counsel is sought for the accused; security costs are higher. They knew each other. John Lotter and Tom Nissen are currently in prison, with Nissen serving life imprisonment and Lotter facing execution. Also, certain things she was closer with Nissen that she was with Tisdel. He also provides additional details of Teenas time with her gay cousins in Omaha. Behind the coffin is Teenas gay cousin and two other cousins who look like him. PHYSICALLY Teena was running, both literally and figuratively. It cant logically be both. FYI the pic of the woman is not Brandon before he transitioned. The sheriff acted as if she deserved it agh. Thats all for this week. She has a daughter and two sons and at least one grandchild. Teena was devastated by the final rejection from the military. Teena was trying to join the U.S. Army as a radio communications technician, and she would have done well in the military, she had leadership potential. At one point in my life I saw about 1100 female cadets go through a police academy, only maybe 1 or 2 women had the positive personal qualities similar to Teena Brandons. They did it for their own benefit. The way he spoke to Brandon and the terminology he used was disgraceful. There was a lot going on between them and it tied them to other individuals. Swank won her first Best Actress Oscar for her portrayal of Brandon Teena, a real-life transgender man who was the victim of a hate crime in 1993. IN MY HOME TOWN! She earned the money being a professional Celebrity. The concept of hate crime makes no sense whatsoever its just crime; and to suggest that some crimes are worse because of the (usually supposed) motive is as unintelligent as it is offensive to those suffering grief in consequence of supposed lesser murders. Having agreed that Brandon is male your subsequent assertion either had to contradict that or was otiose. I would give identity politics more credence had Teena not been a psychiatric patient with severe symptoms other than gender dysphoria. R: Fourteen states have no minimum age at which children can be prosecuted as adults, according to the Equal Justice Initiative. Not to mention, Brandons murder was in retaliation for his reporting the rape. A few days later, on New Year's Eve 1993, Lotter and Nissen came to the Tisdel residence drunk and looking for Brandon, and threatened the Tisdel sisters. She was wounded in a stabbing attack by an ex-husband and supported her family on a monthly disability check of less than $400, according to an account by writer Eric Konigsberg, who grew up in Omaha. People do not talk about it, because they have something to hide. Among other things, Teenas gay male cousins claimed that Teena showed them the part of Lincoln, known as The Loop, where men go cruising for younger men. When Teenas teen-age father was killed in his car accident, his parents took Teenas pregnant mom in. She corrected him and told him that she was Teena. THERE IS A CONTRACT OUT ON MY LIFE! Name switch. "The scene is a karaoke bar where Brandon Teena's lost love . 1 How many Post Op Transmen do you know who joined the military? And argument from emotion isnt argument, Ill consider myself non-platformed for unacceptable opinion by you. Lotter told Teena that he liked her and hoped to be with her, after she was released from jail and everyone found out that she was female. Judges unsympathetic. Best of 2022 Top 250 Movies Most Popular Movies Top 250 TV Shows Most Popular TV Shows Most Popular Video Games Most Popular Music Videos Most Popular Podcasts. Im sorry if the subject gives you the vapors, but it just seems to me like youre protesting a bit too much. LOT OF ENEMIES FOR ME! In simplifying and celebrating the cross-dressing aspects of the story, the film makers never found out the real Teena Brandon, how awesome she was, despite her problems and her bad deeds, and what a tragedy her murder really was. Men and women react differently to being raped and being punched in the stomach. Decide for yourselves. IVE RELOCATE, 3 Hes no Neil deGrasse Tyson, but he speaks distinctly, enunciating evidentiary hearing perfectly well, for example. They could have taught her to handle domestic violence while she was at the psychiatric hospital, but the professionals were sub standard. When LGBT appropriated Teena into a simplified gay bashing legend, how much of the real story did they ignore as opposed to basic arrogance, self centeredness and ignorance? He failed to treat her underlying problems (and then a reasonably stabilized person could make a determination what they want). As a boy, Lotter scored 76 on a school IQ test, but he got only 67 on the one he took while incarcerated. For that, she paid with her life. . and its from within the power structure (ie: the 2 boys in Arkansas murdered then put on the train tracks. When she got to the hospital, they automatically brought up the rape exam as a matter of standard practice with battered women brought to emergency rooms. It costs you nothing to be respectful of something you claim to be imagined anyway. I guess for now ill settle for bookmarking and adding your RSS feed to my Google account. You may say what does this have to do with Brandon Teena, but isnt that name just another reversal of the truth her being born as Tina Brandon and isnt the entire world backwards by design, and by a minute fraction of the population enslaving us all? Because Teena was traumatized, she invited domestic abuse against her in the Falls City. That aspect of her life escapes you, because you have no appreciation for just how traumatized and dysfunctional she was. Four times. They deposited him in his crib before they fled. She also got him in trouble with adults and later every reason that they sucked up to her turned out to be a lie. Including Lana, Linda Gutierres left four children behind. ), you contradict yourself. It is a temper tantrum because he could not find a screen play in Teena Brandons tragedy. Sister testified that she lied to Tom Nissen, because Teena asked her to. (Boys Dont Cry and The Brandon Teena Story). Teena died much harder and I believe that Lotter was the shooter. ATTACK DOG PUT UPON ME, Teenas sister spoke on the phone to Tom Nissen and told him that Teena Brandon had a sex change surgery scheduled in several months and that Teena would be fully male after that. D'aprs un fait divers authentique. People traumatized by torture suffer in a certain way when they realize that they are going to be tortured again, and Lotter noticed and attempted to describe it, without knowing what it is. By the reasoning that the death penalty is too expensive because of litigation, than all prisoners are too expensive because they all have the right to appeal, not just death row inmates. Thanks. The Harley riders then started sobering up and making their way over to police to surrender and hoping to cut a deal with prosecutor and get some leniency, none of them were real criminals. Quit wasting tax payers money on these disgusting bags of dung. Falls City is a small town, and all of these families were well-acquainted; Lana's best friend was Michelle Lotter, John's sister. HIT BY THAT Had Teena Brandon been getting quality psychiatric care, they would have addressed her sex abuse trauma, her eating disorder, her OCD, her alcohol abuse, and only then suggest sex reassignment etc. Her psychiatrist failed her, which is why there is no clinical literature about her case, her story did not enter clinical annals, the way boy who dreamt of wolves, and other interesting psychiatric patients did. Incidentally, Boys Dont Cry and the documentary got it all wrong. Brandon was born female, but felt male inside. Undermining that premise makes it hard to take the moral highground. The freedom loving nations :/ I dont see any real freedom anywhere. I got news for em. 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