the biggest change from the New Wonder to the M series of (etc.) DAddario Reserve alto mouthpiece (review), Understanding Transposition for Saxophones, Our friendly & informative saxophone forum. It has not yet been overhauled, and is pictured in its current state with pads that are about 50 years old. > Silver Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. The 6M alto; 10M tenor; and 12M baritone are the famous naked lady horns. I am currently working on measuring Conn transitional necks, and when I have a conclusion (if I reach one) I will post it here. art deco "Transitional" engraving or "Naked "Transitional" model, but with New Wonder or plain engraving. They lost their rolled tone holes after WWII. New Wonder saxophone. to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series Sometimes a company may hold back a batch of instruments and then release them a couple of years later. 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. . 6M Some models certainly command the highest prices. "Transitional" refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series of horns. If you have an undamaged and completely original Conn neck with or without the stamp and also know how to use calipers correctly and feel like helping out, please send me the following measurements in thousands of an inch: A: the inside diameter of the neck cork end Its generally agreed that Selmer made some of the very best horns of all time. The Conn Transitional features split-bell keys, rolled tone holes, a microtuner on . Conn Tenth Edition Wonder Catalogue, 1885 C.G. -around 270k, the engraving gets larger. - 263xxx for the tenor (considered the start of the "Naked Please check the fields highlighted in red. 6 : Body heavily nickel plated and highly polished, pearl But on the other hand the first one (a tenor)I worked on came from the family of a Conn factory worker, who were under the impression it was a prototype with the X standing for experimental, which was not intended for sale and is why the worker took it home so many years ago. Conn Saxophone Serial Number List Years and Serial Numbers are approximate, Pictures all Models, Thanks Pete, and to all contributers! The years 1967 to March 1974 (when Conn moved their brass manufacturing to Abilene, Texas), is a period where at least some of the instruments were inferior in quality > Nickel Plate (6) Saxophone.org. Please check the fields highlighted in red. I am well aware that some will question my figures and criticize my findings. Copyright 1994 - 2023. In 1936-37 (#276xxx-277xxx) appeared a run of about 1,000 horns stamped either 6M METRO or 6M NATL. 1990 4000000. Conn Trumpet Notes - Vol. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. internal mechanism of tunable neck redesigned I saw this Ive used a The Martin baritone for years. MODELE 26 4451 11950 Tenor Super 20 $ 3400 see above commentary for adjustments Lady" series). LADY FACE/Naked Lady pentagram engraved on the bell. are used by permission. As far as I know,noVIII METROhorns have been found! At the same time theprefixletter M, used on all saxes since 1924, is dropped. Comments, Eb Alto Naked Lady with My current opinion is that there were either a couple my donation or the profits from the banner ads & calendar going toward? The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". Alto $ 2300 I will be adding more soon, as well as checking for accuracy and updating these with more historical and instrument information. the patent number 1119954 should not be confused with a serial number.) My personal favorite 10M (best ever) is actually only 2 serial numbers later than this one! damage; the low C sharp, B, and B flat keys now opened the (odd numbers would indicate high pitch -- e.g. Some information may repeat between what I wrote and what he wrote, but trust me there is a ton of information here and the read is worth it if you are interested in Conn transitional altos! Apart from minor scratches, this horn is is good shape. From the Committee on, they are almost always lacquer. The engraving is usually not too elaborate. Saxophones in most moderate to large factories were produced in batches- that is, a few dozen to a couple hundred at a time of a particular type. swivel thumbrest (enamel) and "Poly-Chrome" (enamel with painted C soprano $1000 MUST have original mouthpiece Add 15% for silver, 25% for gold plate. Buy Conn Tenor Saxophone Saxophones and get the best deals at the lowest prices on eBay! The Conn Transitional saxophones derived their model name from the transition from the "New Wonder" models to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series. Ser#271k, Original finish at 90%--color is great! Frequently Asked Questions Serial Numbers Warranty Information. I used to have a 1932 transitional alto with a New York neck. C Melody Tenor Conn was one of the largest saxophone manufacturers of its day, and its production volume was quite high. Plate (2) bore and tonehole placement redesigned. CONN. WONDER through 150XXX Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. The horns made during that time are almost all Transitional 6Ms, identical to later 6Ms except for certain neck details (not all known, as summarized above) and, of course, the swivel thumbhook. Year Range; Serial Range; Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS; 1888 - 1893: 0 - 149: 1893 - 1894: 150 - 199: 1894 - 1895: 200 . pearl and pearl rollers > Satin : Highly polished brass throughout, pearl inlaid finger tips SN: 246065 Gold Plate Art Deco Transitional SN: 248650 RARE Transitional 6M in Gold Plate SN: 250151 Gold Plate Transitional 6M SN: 250404 Silver Plate Transitional 6M SN: 250669 Lacquer Transitional 6M SN: 254135 Silver Plate Transitional 6M SN: 257986 Gold Plate Transitional 6M SN: 267736 TENOR SAX Experimental "Transitional" Prototype SN: 247803 6 The VIII stamp appears until about 1945 (#315xxx). Eb Alto Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. MODELE 22 750 4450 Conn burned all its archives in 1970. More than with any other model, condition is everything. 1, 1881 C.G. ONE > Silver bored :). Ideally you should have a record of the serial number with your sales receipt and won your insurance details. Sopranino $3000 To be clear, I will use the term New Wonder II style transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the New Wonder II, and 6M transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the 6M. Over the next few years, features would be introduced to Conns saxophone line that resulted by about 1934 in a saxophone that was light years ahead in craftsmanship, mechanical design, and intonation compared to the New Wonder Series II. Make of that what you will. "art deco" engraving on the bell, but this is not These are the Top Hat and Cane horns, the best of the Bueschers. Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. > Satin Gold Plate (0) Italics indicates "educated guess". In most cases the reason is for the one stated above, but it is always worth checking when buying an instrument. At this point, I dont believe these horns to be prototypes (I have now worked on a genuine Conn 10M prototype), but the other explanations dont cleanly add up. 12M Eb Baritone (low Bb; low A not available until 1955-ish) So, lots of questions and not many answers. Baritone $ 2200 Brown rollers always, as well as snap in pads and Norton springs. Alto 6M $ 2000 horns stamped viii seem to play best price chart, in 1930/31 dollars. Alto $ 1200 Tenor $ 800 Serial numbers can be used to identify supposedly better instruments. The engraving is beautiful, but they just dont play very well. I think these are often overlooked and underpriced. 24M Conn-O-Sax (F Alto) It does not store any personal data. It's there. While Conn generally used the numbers to refer to finish, Serial Number: 271,xxx; For the Gerry Mulligan lovers! Alto $ 800 Heavily gold plated, hand burnished over all, pearl inlaid 2M C Soprano Add 20% for gold and 40% for gold with artist engraving and mother of pearl key touches. inlaid finger tips, pearl rollers. You can buy two wonderful old Conns for what some people are asking for Selmers of the same era. Please consider. Baritone $3000. vintage alto saxophone top tenons for alto saxophone. Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers, Connstellation Rolled tone holes discontinued. Longest production run in Selmer history. plating choices Conn had. 1989 3900000. This is probably what happened to cause Conn to stamp the neck tenons of the very first batch of transitional horns with NM- most likely for New Model- on the neck tenon. It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. ARISTOCRAT 290XXX 325XXX BIG B fork Eb trill disappears Theyre great! 2. > Nickel bell gold plated [and] burnished. It could mean alto, which would have been an easy way to keep track of how many altos (the most popular model by far) were selling vs. tenors, baritones, and such. They have an A after the serial number. that doesn't have "6M" VII No. 32. Other cup mouthpiece serial numbers are not available at this time. Bare Brass (4) Conn transitionals are some of my favorite horns of all time. Baritone $ 2500 This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. Connstellation Model (28M) Years: 1950 - 1952 Serials: 328000 - 351000 (2 specimens) C.G. A famous example would be the early 30s Conn instruments. It contains a hashed/encrypted unique ID. If you have one or have pictures of one, please contact Bare Brass (4) Alto $ 2800 Straight soprano $1600 Baritone $2500. By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. Curved soprano $ 2200 Deduct 20% if keyed to Eb only Curved soprano $2500 of 1927 and 1928 catalogs. This > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 10M Much better horns than the 22s and 26s. Please also note that "burnished" means "mirror-like" Tenor $ 2400 Eb Alto A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. is the change in design of the chromatic F# key and G# cluster, Conn Transitional Tenor Saxophone serial number 243778. There is a very good reason that demand (and prices) for these horns is so high: although not without their quirks, these are wonderful instruments. C melody $ 800 Yes, it was around serial number 263,000 that Conn changed the tenor saxes from two-sided to one-sided bell keys, and this is usually described as the end of the Transitional period and the beginning of the 10M or Artist series. Some had sterling silver necks (add 20%), very few were silver plated (add 20%), Ive seen a gold one, although I was not totally convinced it was original. I No. All the new ones have a yellow These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! They play rather nicely. This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. About the 6Mand the stamp (Paul Lindemeyer). Alto $ 2400 It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. Most, but not all, of these features Tenor $ 3200 4M Bb Soprano, Curved They do play rather nicely, and you sometimes see them in silver (add 20%) and Ive heard there were some gold ones. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". Usually seen in silver, deduct 20% for lacquer, add 20% for gold non-artist examples. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. This appears onevery Conn alto I have ever seenmade between about #253xxx and #275xxx (1932-1936). A serial network scheme with a small network size is designed for small user applications, and a parallel network scheme with high speed is designed for places such as data centres. Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 10 Rue Neuve-Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 50 Rue Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 26 Rue de Rocroy Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 39 Rue de Dunkerque paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 56 Rue Laffitte Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 6 Rue Lallier Paris, Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS, Wonder Improved & Wonder Perfected - Elkhart IND, Slant Signature Special - Stainless Steel, 1875 C.G. high F (from Steve In addition, there are some interesting neck variations that show up during the transitional period that last through the first few years of regular 6M production. 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