My issue is the price, these limited edition models ie: Eisenhorn, Sly, some of the Primaris models are just crazy expensive in comparison. I love the crocodile tears about the indie companies. Mainly because it is ILLEGAL. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. Some of the casts I have bought would struggle to be used as scenery they are that bad. It is very bad quality, hard plastic etc. But Netflix absorbed a lot of people, including the extremely low population of pirates, who just wanted a reasonable price for what they wanted. Recasters are selling multitudes of more models than the actual creator. It's not illegal to buy them, though, just to . Its not difficult to find recasts, or at least, know where to look for them. If you happen to know of any second hand recast seller, or on-line store selling these fake products, we encourage you to contact the corresponding company affected so they can take proper measures against it. Bollocks. We cant do anything but have thought experiments because unlike other companies, GW wont discuss the affects of recasting and no one has published any kind of reasonable peer reviewed study. Their pricing model hurts the growth of the hobby, it doesnt promote it. As evidenced with comments, for a lot of folk price is the issue and they will choose alternative, albeit poor quality. All that artistic work, ranging from concept, development, sculpting, marketing or quality control, has a price. Games workshop not only wants lots of money for its live figures (5 euros for guardsman from krieg !, more than for metal ones!). It is our mission to bring you the latest from the miniature wargaming scene, from narrative missions, hobby how-to tutorials, battle reports, unboxings and reviews, retro flashbacks, news, rumors, and more. I mean even though its hella shady its much easier to just buy a cheaper version of the model even if its a knockoff. If you order anything that is not titan sized you get all the same issues the recasts have. I have no problem doing a massive company like GW out of 40 quid. Right now, a few companies simply stopped selling to Russia as their figures instantly get listed on pirated stores. They were producing beautiful miniatures (crazy complicated game) but they were cut the margins too thinly. Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. Also, the resin used for the recasts is a very smelly material, with a very weak and brittle body, and you have to be careful with it at all times. Discover the magic of the Internet at Imgur. After that no surprise if some brands get copied in the first place, that kind of behavior and answer has no place in a world where international trades are a thing. Who does GW employ? Judge yourselves. There was something about those little-colored blocks that started it all Twitter @catdaddymbg, Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as, If you buy something from a link on our site, we may earn a commision. This scourge of the hobby is a worldwide problem. You think they magically pump out miniatures at just the cost of supplies you are an idiot. Its material has still some margin for manipulation, as opposed to the one in the recast copy. I have a motto I live by it.regarding others if you lie,you can cheat,cheat you can steal, steal you can.lets just say theres many cases of some folks needing something bad ,dont have the money and try and steal for itthings escalate and then murder becomes involved. Ought I go back to whipping them, or should they be permitted to return to working in the fields? Even so, I think this issue began with Chinese copies of Forgeworld references. Or rather, do they produce miniatures with base polystyrene produced in highly toxic factories in China and Vietnam? What about sculptors that, due to their skill got pay really good money, what about shopfloor operatives, what about other staff, customer service bills etc. Not the original miniature companies. With Z, the above linked infantry squad is $16. Is it okay to create my own miniatures if they are not a product that Games Workshop creates or has any copyrights on? I havent bought any GW recasts yet but I support it because if it eventually hurts GW enough that they reevaluate their business practices and lower their prices, that will bring more people into the hobby and overall gaming will be better. You have not idea about, a totally ignorant. The difficult thing is to develop a miniature from scratch, starting with an idea that begins with just a few pencil strokes on paper. why is it that if I spend 70 on a primarch from forgeworld, I have to send at least 3 or 4 of those parts back to be exchanged because of mould slips or just general terrible casting and I will likely have to return one of the replacements they send me too. during the month, more than 5 times the quantity that me (the creator, designer and fighter) sold the same month. Thats the total cost for them, packaging, payroll, the lot. (and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. How can anyone claim the second company is not greedy, and yes the second company gets targeted by pirates and the first doesnt. Tbh I wish there was a quality metal recaster of late 90s early 2000s WFB, or that gw would just sell the moulds/ip so I could get the models I want. Age of Sigmar is more popular than WFB was. Like any economic entity, they need to obey the law of supply and demand ACROSS their customer base. Man, either you are some kid, troll or just an idiot with no capacity to think logically. I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? [] a subject which rears its head quite regularly. Recasting gives these filthy companies a taste of their own medicine. Its all for love. A model is too expensive in your opinion and dont worth the money? No? You know what happens? I would say though that what you talk about is a different topic to what we are discussing in this post. As Alchemy said, they drive more new hobbyists away by doing it in this and inevitably lose out of profit in the long run. Recasts and piracy, in general, is suddenly on the rise across the hobby as a whole, as other manufacturers and independent artists are also starting to take a hit. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. We are actually preparing another post about that specific issue you are mentioning because that is a topic that will also lead to a huge discussion! Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. The more people there are who are anticipating the reveal of new stuff are there because there is an established community and it only gets better the bigger the community is. Lets look at Netflix, people didnt think streaming would have as big of an effect as it did as before that everyone blamed everything on pirating. GW can produce, package, sculpt, advertise etc a box of Cadian Shock Troops for 20. Just saying individuals like that who do that have no moral compass. Manage Settings Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. Prices go up. . Recaster Z is the lowest cost and highest inventory overall, with a bit of a cut on quality. You are stealing. Just out of curiosity, what about recasts of long out of print miniatures, or miniatures from defunct companies? Forge world is horribly over priced and shit quality. All rights reserved. Lets say I want a cheap 1k starting army, but Im a college kid who cant justify the outrageous cost ($250 minimum, plus the hobby equipment and paint for at least $300 min). This would be paradoxal. Plain and simple. All I can say is that the metal quality is horrible. You have entered an incorrect email address! Its partly to do with inflation, but mostly due to the declining numbers of people going. Salaries of their employees are probably atrociousand, above all, they undermine the business of proper companies endangering their countinuity. They stole the right to complain about re-castes when they demand unreasonable prices, and thus stealing the joy of the hobby. Sure, theyre making each box manually. And dont forget about the spacedwarfs aka squats. Not me. At a glance, recasts appear quite similar, but when looked at closely, important flaws become evident. I need some of the bigger suits for my tau and they are pretty expensive so I would most likely turn to a recast. a 6th edition metal dwarf throne of powers market price on ebay is now around 160, thats way beyond the reach of most hobbyists, definitely out of the reach of kids. Save Money On All These Alternative Miniatures. Do they source their injection molds from Australian materials and Mexican labor? There are MANY legitimate streaming options that are legal and same for MP3s. Z Catalog Recast. CCoN has lower inventory variety and higher cost, but he's cheapest when he has a sale and it's really good quality. The cheap cost of resin you mention would only be associated with recasters. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. But imo GW are flogging its customers for all its worth while things are good. e.g. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. Recommended Products For The Miniatures Hobby! The manufacturer isnt benefiting from this situation either. We basically pay to perpetuate the work of each and every one of the artists involved in the birth of this miniature. For the sake of this report, we have acquired a couple of Chinese illegal recasts as well as their respective originals, and we are going toshow you in detail why there is no point at all in buying these pieces of bad plastic. You are completely right about this. Recasting can come out of any country, I can think of at least seven countries from which recasters regularly produce illegal copies. I myself am very pro recast, that being said maybe 5-10% of my models are recast. Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. GW rant incoming: I agree with buying recasts only when it is GW. These artists work hard. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. Join. Now lets say in this situation I have a friend who plays WH and hes a recaster, and he can get me that same army for $50. There's several recasters that operate based on email, and the subreddit posts reviews of their products. I have been here buying from my local store from the past 25 years. My FLGS has 20 tables filled with terrain whereas the GW has two tables in a tiny store away from any major shopping areas. Warhammer fantasy was half my life and then they did this to me.. fuck them. Why, then, does FW (who run a much smaller operation, fewer employees, use silicon moulds rather than the hundred thousand pound plastic ones) charge 40 for a box of 10 Krieg Troopers? But there is a thing Id wish to point out, its the Chinese stigmatisation I am french living in China for about ten years now, and Chinese bashing is just a constant thing I hear from most of westerners and is absolutely not right either. How many of us would not be hobbyists if it wasnt for our local GW? After evaluating each and every aspect that could lead us to look for a cheaper product, we see that getting the original product will undoubtedly make our experience with the miniature hobby much better. I now rely on trade forums to find slightly reasonably priced models. As you see, this is nightmarish no matter how you look at it. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. From the beginning thought of a new model in their head to putting it on paper, and into real life. Dont get confused. With those numbers the hobby will never die, thats amazing! The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. I dont want to be pointing finger, but we cannot choose to ignore part of IP basic principles, and focus on some others. And a very recent case of IP theft in Spain as you mention has brought this into the spotlight, but we havent found the time yet to properly talk about this very important matter. I thought he was describing forge world quality there for a second. A movement has started to help raise awareness about the loss of income these folks have started to experience recently. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. Only we can act effectively against miniature recasting! Copyright 2009-2023. We mainly cover Warhammer 40k, Fantasy, Age of Sigmar, Warmachine, Hordes, X-Wing, Infinity, Horus Heresy, and Star Wars Armada. Theyre entitled to make a profit sure and Im entitled to shop around. You guys do a great job on this site/blog. We arent saying you shouldnt buy alternate versions of models that you can use in your tabletop games. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! When GW sells the same models in Australia for 60-90% more than the US for no good reason it is hard to feel sorry for them. But in the past 2 years their stock has sky rocketed. Ive never bought from a recaster, but I know many who do. You say illegal a lot. I am relatively new to the hobby maybe 4 years now and get the argument from each side. 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